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PPA Ready?

Discussion in 'Plesk Automation' started by Speedy059, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. Speedy059

    Speedy059 Basic Pleskian

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    Is PPA good to use now? Is the proper way to setup PPA is to install it in a linux server, then add nodes that have Plesk 11 already installed on them?

    Is it possible to add SmarterMail dedicated servers to the resource pools yet?
     
  2. eugenevdm

    eugenevdm Silver Pleskian

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    It seems ready because the main page doesn't take you to a preview version any more:

    Exhibit A: http://www.parallels.com/products/plesk-automation/
    Exhibit B: http://www.parallels.com/products/plesk-automation/get-it-now/

    With regards to your questions on SmarterMail, looks like you might have joy in December:
    http://forum.parallels.com/showthread.php?t=263326


    I would love to hear anyone's experience migrating Expand to PPA.
     
  3. Andrey Dobrenko

    Andrey Dobrenko Regular Pleskian

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    Hi Guys,

    PPA 11.0 is released officially and stable build is available for download! By the way, we started to perform the test migrations from Expand clusters and if you want to participate in this programm, please send request by email to ppa [at] parallels.com and we'll assist you. In this case, there will not downtime and you may switch to production environment after test migration and check that your hosting works fine.

    Best Regards,
    Andrey
     
  4. Speedy059

    Speedy059 Basic Pleskian

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    Andrey, so do I have the right understanding of how this works?

    -You install this PPA on a linux server.
    -Install PLESK on your nodes
    -Login to the PPA admin web-ui and add all the Plesk nodes.

    Or do you install PPA on all the nodes too?
     
  5. Andrew Andriatis

    Andrew Andriatis Regular Pleskian Plesk Team

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    Hi,
    Take a quick look at the first video here: http://www.parallels.com/products/plesk-automation/learn/
    You'll see how to attach service nodes.
    In general, you don't need to pre-install Plesk on any nodes. Just launch PPA installer on a Linux server. Then login to the admin panel and add nodes by roles. We install everything what's needed for a role on top of the clean OS installation.
     
  6. Speedy059

    Speedy059 Basic Pleskian

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    Ahhh geez, that is really cool. This is an administrators dream. Can't wait to use this in December! Have to wait until then since that is when you'll support SmarterMail servers.

    How does the licensing schema work for this? Do we pay per-node, or per service we use on the nodes?
     
  7. Andrew Andriatis

    Andrew Andriatis Regular Pleskian Plesk Team

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    Licensing is per node. Two node roles are exclusions - DB and DNS nodes are free.
     
  8. Speedy059

    Speedy059 Basic Pleskian

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    Sorry last question....

    What kind of licenses do we buy? Do we just buy regular Plesk 11 licenses for each node? Normally get my licenses from places like licensecube.com, and all they have is Plesk licenses and nothing called PPA.
     
  9. Andrew Andriatis

    Andrew Andriatis Regular Pleskian Plesk Team

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    You just buy Plesk licenses from any provider around you. For PPA you should go to our site, register and get a PPA license. Its basic configuration is free. The paid options are billing and Web Presence Builder sites.
     
  10. sonics

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    Is there also a option for a one time buying the Billing and Web Presence Builder or just rental?

    also if we would buy web presence builder what does it mean, is the web presence builder installed centralized at the PPA MN or at the plesk nodes?

    also is it possible for linux and windows customers to use wsb?

    and what about allready buyed wsb in plesk 11 and used sites at a windows hosting nodes which should be later migrated towards PPA?

    Or migrating the pages used with a centralized wsb 4.5 at plesk 9.5 nodes?

    regards chris
     
  11. Andrew Andriatis

    Andrew Andriatis Regular Pleskian Plesk Team

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    Hi, Chris,
    There is lease only. We don't offer perpetual licenses anymore.

    The WPB is always installed inside Plesk on the management node. You are buying the number of sites published through it. You are not buying the software. Sure the sites can be published on Linux or Windows web servers.

    The total number of sites allowed is counted as the number of sites included into PPA license and all service node licenses. It doesn't matter on which node you'll publish afterwards. Only the total number matters. If you already have a Plesk license, which you are going to reuse as the service node license, then the number of sites in it will be counted.

    WPB does not have migration tools to convert sites from Sitebuilder 4.5 into WPB 5 sites. You might consider keeping old Sitebuilder for those sites and publishing them remotely via FTP.

    Regards,
    Andrey
     
  12. sonics

    sonics Regular Pleskian

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    Ok, so WPB is also like Webmail running at the PPA Management Node. So that's than quite an important maschine like the central mail service node to. it would be perfect if those could be some sort of clustered nodes or backup them very frequently.

    is also for plesk no perpetual licenses anymore av. also not through KA?

    Is the rental of the billing for unlimited customers?
     
  13. Andrew Andriatis

    Andrew Andriatis Regular Pleskian Plesk Team

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    You are right about the management node. The big Parallels Automation has an opposite structure - a lot of nodes with dedicated roles. This is very inconvenient for deployment, especially for a small hosting company. That's why in PPA we tried to solve the task of simple deployment on a single node. With moderate number of customers you don't need more. Now we'll start looking at the expansion option and how some functions can be offloaded onto separate nodes.

    Parallels moves completely to lease licenses. All perpetual are considered to be legacy products.

    As far as I can see in the online store right now, there is only one billing license, no # of customers tiers.
     
  14. sonics

    sonics Regular Pleskian

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    For how many service web nodes linux or windows with how many sites it PPA meant to be?
     
  15. Andrew Andriatis

    Andrew Andriatis Regular Pleskian Plesk Team

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    The number of service nodes practically doesn't matter. What matters is the total accounts number and average load per server. Right now we are testing the management node with 20K accounts. When tuning on this level will be finished, we'll move on to 50K, and then 100K accounts.
    As for the web servers, Apache is known to start slowing down at ~500-600 vhosts on a server. IIS becomes slow in provisioning at ~200-300 sites. Note that this is not their operations boundary, but rather reasonable response time when you create a new site or modify configuration of an existing one.
     
  16. sonics

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    ah ik, than we can live with it for a long time. because we would have 6-7 service nodes and with about 1000 websites now :)
     
  17. parallelsbox

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    But doesn't Parallels Web Presence Builder cost 10 times more if you're buying the Multi IP publishing option to use in the management node? Or can we just buy WPB licenses for management node like it was a Plesk standalone installation and get that pricing?
     
  18. Andrew Andriatis

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    parallelsbox Basic Pleskian

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    So we can buy multiple 1000 WBP sites license addons for PPA?

    Web Presence Builder for Linux (1,000 Sites) $19.99 for 1 Month

    So, if we want PPA to have 10.000 WPB sites we can request 10 x $19.99 ?
     
  20. Andrew Andriatis

    Andrew Andriatis Regular Pleskian Plesk Team

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    At the moment we don't process WPB sites as an independent license. It should be added either to PPA or any Plesk key
     
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