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Plesk 8.4 pulled

Discussion in 'Plesk for Linux - 8.x and Older' started by Amin Taheri, May 5, 2008.

  1. Amin Taheri

    Amin Taheri Golden Pleskian Plesk Certified Professional

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    Why was it pulled?

    There is no formal announcement as others have eldued to.
    http://www.parallels.com/en/products/plesk/

    Could you let us know what problems are being corrected once it is re-released?

    Just for those who are curious, here is the "official" statement from SwSoft as to what is new (from a forum post, not an official mailer or statement)

     
  2. joeybutterface

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    Yes I'd like to know the problems too.

    I haven't noticed anything yet on two servers running 8.4.
     
  3. Amin Taheri

    Amin Taheri Golden Pleskian Plesk Certified Professional

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    There were a lot of people who had mail problems after the upgrade - if it even completed successfully for them :s
     
  4. laughingbuddha

    laughingbuddha Regular Pleskian

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    I'm interested to know about this too. Only just found out about PSA 8.4 from another thread.

    When did it arrive?

    I would be interested to know about this version as I'm about to do a new server install, and was going to use ART's auto installer channel.

    Matt
     
  5. Amin Taheri

    Amin Taheri Golden Pleskian Plesk Certified Professional

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    it came and went last week, it will be re-released later this week from what I hear inside SwSoft. I would personally stick with 8.3 until all the kinks are worked out.

    Those who upgrade in the first week ( or sometimes even two ) are either really brave, or really dumb - not sure which :)
     
  6. laughingbuddha

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    Yeah you not wrong. I'll think I will hold off for now.

    What's new anyway?

    Matt
     
  7. joeybutterface

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    DomainKeys inclusion is the biggie as far as I'm concerned. :)

    Although the implementation isn't perfect. Each domain has its own separate key generated, which is overkill, and the key is changed whenever the option is turned off/on again. The public key is automatically added to the DNS entries for each domain when turned on.

    Annoying if you use external DNS servers.

    I wouldn't normally install a new release until it reaches it's second or third revision. But I was doing some clean installs this weekend so the risks of problems was not very worrying.

    I'm very happy with 8.4 and glad I installed it. :)
     
  8. wcrigger

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    I actually took the plunge this weekend although it was unlike me to jump on it so quickly. I saw it was available and looked here for people's views on the upgrade here before installing it and noticed there wasn't even an 8.4 forum category created yet. ;) More of a reason to stay away huh.

    Anyhow, I did it as my upgrade to 8.3 was never really complete and I was in a mixed state between 8.2 - 8.3 as far as my installed packages. I managed to hack it to a point of it running well though, I was just concerned of security and running some older applications.

    Good news is, upgrading from almost-8.3 to 8.4 was completely seamless and I've had no complaints, just people showing appreciation for other work and customizations that were also done this weekend during the upgrade as well (my Plesk addons and customizations are all compatible, too). Nobody notices 8.4 differences except the Parallels logo (that didn't go away with my custom winxp.new.reloaded template I through back on there after the upgrade).

    Mail has not been an issue either, including Scott @ AtomicRocketTurtle's qmail-scanner, razor/pyzor, and clamd packages. RBL lists seemingly work just fine too. After the upgrade I immediately reconfigured qmail-scanner, which is just a matter of kicking off a script that re compiles it for you with your environment/software. Not sure that was even needed though?

    I do see an admin option for Domain Keys (enable/disable), yet, I can't tell where it actually does anything nor do I have any new options within the UI for customers.

    I'm really curious as to the reason they published it and so quickly pulled it without an explanation. Seems like any other respectable company would make known the cause and offer to assist/support anyone with any issues it caused them. In the car business for example there's some nice perks involved on recalls, whether or not your tire is catching on fire. ;)

    I'm just happy though I'm back on a real, complete release, hopefully they knocked out any security holes that could have been present although I didn't see any blaring out at me the last time I was looking.

    Since 8.0, I haven't had a smooth update yet until this one. Figures. Crossing my fingers for the next release....of the same version. Should be interesting.
     
  9. Geoff Riley

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    Having no reason given for 8.4 being pulled really has me worried that they might have found a security hole that they're keeping quiet about: the old protection by obscurity chestnut.

    I hope I'm wrong, and that I'm just being paranoid, but I can't get SpamAssassin running and so have to wonder what other things are not giving the protection that they should. :(
     
  10. wcrigger

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    Yea, possibly, but really, it's hard to imagine one of their developers noticed a security flaw just after a release like that. It's possible though, or maybe even someone who downloaded it could have caught it.

    Personally I would drop psa-spamassassin (PSA UI to spamassassin), drweb/kaperski, and download ART's packages instead. It's really unbelievable how wide open Plesk leaves you and how well ART's work (and very fine tunable if you so wish).

    It's normally as easy as:

    # yum -y remove psa-spamassassin spamassassin drweb (kaperski?)
    # yum -y install qmail-scanner spamassassin clamav clamd razor pyzor

    Edit /etc/qmail-scanner.ini (config) and /usr/share/qmail-scanner/qmail-scanner-queue (script) if you so wish but default works well enough.

    then:
    # qmail-scanner-reconfigure

    To use their yum repo, go to atomicrocketturtle.com and follow the instructions for your distro (in my instructions above I was assuming Red Hat or similar flavor).

    Like I said, it's really powerful out of the box, but you can fine tune it all you want depending on your desire, patience, and how familiar you are with your system(s).
     
  11. bibliopegist

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    check the permissions on /etc/rc.d/init.d/spamassassin it was wrong on my server and SA worked after I changed it
     
  12. laughingbuddha

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    I would be insterested to play with this new PSA version.

    Currently got a naf out-of-date VPS with WebFusion. Plesk 7.5.....nasty. But until my HP server is up I have no choice for the moment.

    Could always get another VPS elsewhere, but it's the cost and hassle of moving 35 domains.

    Matt
     
  13. Geoff Riley

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    I was talking about getting rid of spam... not trying to attract it!

    Right, I've now got Scotts packages installed, and SA seems to be working... I've found a lot of more elderly messages talking about problems of getting it running on a per user basis, but can't spot anyone saying that they've overcome the problems... anyone know different?
     
  14. atomicturtle

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    haha!

    The trick is all in getting SA to store settings in MySQL, my notes for creating a Project Gamera cluster (this uses qmail-scanner the exact same way plesk does) would apply to how to do this on a Plesk box:

    http://www.atomicorp.com/wiki/index.php/Project_Gamera

    The only part you'd need to add on is a web front end for your end users to manipulate the settings. A long (long long) time ago I had put something together to do this with squirrelmail. There are a lot of other web based front ends for SA out there, including horde. So Im sure you can find something out there to do the job for you.
     
  15. Geoff Riley

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    Thanks Scott, I'll go and have a read: I saw Project Gamera mentioned, but also that it was nothing to do with PSA so I didn't follow it through. :)

    I got squirrelmail from your repository, but I couldn't find anything in it about SA, so I left that aside too. I think I'm lucky to have any hair left today! :lol:
     
  16. atomicturtle

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    PG is really based on what I made for Plesk. Just a standalone version of it, the SA configuration would be identical. In fact I wrote that clustering bit for a setup where Plesk servers are controlling the spamassassin settings on PG systems.
     
  17. Geoff Riley

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    I've given up with trying to get SA running against MySQL: I constantly get "Transactions not supported by database at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/i386-linux-thread-multi/DBI.pm line 645." whenever I attempt to use it... I've been fiddling around for hours but getting no-where.

    I'll wait for 8.4 to be release properly, because it's always possible that there's something in that that is causing interferrence somewhere along the line.

    The 8.4 repository seems to be back on-line, but it's not showing any updates for me, so it's either not been changed after all or the version numbers haven't updated yet.

    Ho hum.
     
  18. atomicturtle

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    Plesk wouldnt effect that, that looks to me like a MySQL version issue. Which one are you running?
     
  19. Geoff Riley

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    Mr

    It's your version actually...

    Installed Packages
    mysql-server.i386 5.0.51-1.fc4.art installed

    Attempting to run and update on perl through cpan fails for a load of modules, but I'm too tired to go through it now (it's twenty to midnight here in the UK... don't know where you are :) )
     
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