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Question CentOS is shifting focus from CentOS 8 to CentOS Stream
- Thread starter klowet
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- centos 8 centos stream
We are not changing anything in current politics yet - we support what we support before the official EOL comes.
Regarding CentOS8 alternatives - we will watch how the industry reacts to alternatives (Centos Stream / CL community, etc) and make decisions on the actual behaviour in the market (so far only intentions are declared by users and suppliers).
Regarding CentOS8 alternatives - we will watch how the industry reacts to alternatives (Centos Stream / CL community, etc) and make decisions on the actual behaviour in the market (so far only intentions are declared by users and suppliers).
@IgorG
What would you suggest in the current situation? AlmaLinux claims "AlmaLinux will be a 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL, which means that your applications and services will remain compatible."
If (and only if) what they claim seems true and AlmaLinux will be a 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL, would that imply that Plesk would work on it without any problems? (or is a 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL not a guarantee for Plesk to work flawlessly)
I need to install a new server. For now I would like to stick to CentOS. Would you advise me to try CentOS 8 (assuming there will be an alternative before the end of the year which will work fine with Plesk) or would you advise me to use CentOS 7 (because you are not sure there will be a working alternative before the end of the year)?
What would you suggest in the current situation? AlmaLinux claims "AlmaLinux will be a 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL, which means that your applications and services will remain compatible."
If (and only if) what they claim seems true and AlmaLinux will be a 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL, would that imply that Plesk would work on it without any problems? (or is a 1:1 binary compatible fork of RHEL not a guarantee for Plesk to work flawlessly)
I need to install a new server. For now I would like to stick to CentOS. Would you advise me to try CentOS 8 (assuming there will be an alternative before the end of the year which will work fine with Plesk) or would you advise me to use CentOS 7 (because you are not sure there will be a working alternative before the end of the year)?
pleskpanel
Regular Pleskian
I cannot advise you to use AlmaLinux because I have no results of testing the correct operation of Plesk on this operating system. I would advise you to use CentOS7 now because of the longer support period. For example, we continue to use CentOS7 for our new images in cloud services like Amazon AWS, Google Cloud, Digital Ocean, Microsoft Azure, etc.
futureweb
Regular Pleskian
@IgorG - I guess I don't need to ask if Plesk will Support VzLinux / Virtuozzo Linux 8 OS, or? (as currently only VzLinux 7 is listed in the Docs? --> Software Requirements for Plesk Obsidian)
VzLinux / Virtuozzo Linux (RHEL based as Centos) Information: Do You Have an Alternative to CentOS? Virtuozzo Has You Covered With VzLinux!
We have planed to migrate all our Centos 8 Servers to VzLinux 8 as soon as their Migrator is released ...
I also just got confirmation from Virtuozzo that there will be a Migrator from Centos 7 --> VzLinux 8 too ...
bye from snowy Austria
Andreas S.
VzLinux / Virtuozzo Linux (RHEL based as Centos) Information: Do You Have an Alternative to CentOS? Virtuozzo Has You Covered With VzLinux!
We have planed to migrate all our Centos 8 Servers to VzLinux 8 as soon as their Migrator is released ...
I also just got confirmation from Virtuozzo that there will be a Migrator from Centos 7 --> VzLinux 8 too ...
bye from snowy Austria
Andreas S.
Yes, indeed, the question of which forks RHEL8/CentOS Stream we will support is still open and is in the process of research and discussion.
We are currently using CloudLinux 7 with Plesk and were planning on upgrading to CentOS 8 in the next few months.
However, due to the change of circumstances, we have decided to choose Ubuntu 20.04 LTS since it is a similar long-term/stable OS with a predictable release schedule/support like CentOS used to be, and is also supported by Plesk.
This is the safest option, since we aren't dependent on yum/RHEL and waiting for Rocky Linux or AlmaLinux which would be the main/biggest CentOS forks could take a long time and therefore the timeframe of their release plus the timeframe of support by other vendors like Plesk is uncertain.
Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has standard support until 2025 which would be around the time we would possibly have another hardware/OS upgrade anyway.
Even if we decide to delay the upgrade after 2025, there's always the option to pay Canonical for Extended Security Maintenance (ESM) every year after that until up to 2030 which is even longer than the previously supported date of CentOS that was 2029.
cPanel has also announced that they are currently working on adding support for Ubuntu LTS due to the centOS change - which is reassuring, as they never supported Ubuntu in the past - so having the largest player in the web hosting panel game backing Ubuntu is also very reassuring.
blog.cpanel.com
However, due to the change of circumstances, we have decided to choose Ubuntu 20.04 LTS since it is a similar long-term/stable OS with a predictable release schedule/support like CentOS used to be, and is also supported by Plesk.
This is the safest option, since we aren't dependent on yum/RHEL and waiting for Rocky Linux or AlmaLinux which would be the main/biggest CentOS forks could take a long time and therefore the timeframe of their release plus the timeframe of support by other vendors like Plesk is uncertain.
Ubuntu 20.04 LTS has standard support until 2025 which would be around the time we would possibly have another hardware/OS upgrade anyway.
Even if we decide to delay the upgrade after 2025, there's always the option to pay Canonical for Extended Security Maintenance (ESM) every year after that until up to 2030 which is even longer than the previously supported date of CentOS that was 2029.
cPanel has also announced that they are currently working on adding support for Ubuntu LTS due to the centOS change - which is reassuring, as they never supported Ubuntu in the past - so having the largest player in the web hosting panel game backing Ubuntu is also very reassuring.
CentOS 8 End-of-Life Announcement | cPanel
The CentOS Project has announced several significant changes to its roadmap that may affect infrastructure and deployment plans for online businesses, data centers, and end users. These changes announced by CentOS include: Accelerated end-of-life for CentOS 8; no further operating system updates...
blog.cpanel.com
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It isn't out yet, the Virtuozzo blog says Q1 2021.
If there is no supported path with Plesk to upgrade from CentOS 7 to 8 (Resolved - upgrade from centos 7 to centos 8 supported ?) then it seems like even though we (in this thread) are "used to" CentOS it might be time to consider other distributions like Debian or Ubuntu that are supported by Plesk and can be upgraded (Dist-Upgrade Support). It seems to me a server upgrade path would avoid future server migrations, which would otherwise be required at least every 10 years.
Otherwise with any of the new RHEL forks I would expect Plesk is going to have to take some time to test on them, and perhaps pick one if they don't want to support several. I would think that would take at least a few weeks, after they get their hands on actual forks' code.
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So we have a decision from Plesk ?
Change Log for Plesk Obsidian
Plesk can now be installed on AlmaLinux OS.
It is now possible to migrate servers on AlmaLinux OS.
Change Log for Plesk Obsidian
Plesk can now be installed on AlmaLinux OS.
It is now possible to migrate servers on AlmaLinux OS.
SacAutos
Regular Pleskian
But it also says:
Note: At the moment, Plesk does not support in-place conversion from CentOS 8.
Not looking forward to having to migrate servers. Surely only half the story has been told...
G J Piper
Regular Pleskian
I noticed the AlmaLinux OS deployment script Git site says in-place seamless migration for CentOS 7 is ready to go, and that upgrade-paths from other distros should be coming later.
Having run a VM test of Rocky Linux Beta with Plesk installation (Had to fool installer that the OS was CentOS 8) I'm confident that it will be easy for Plesk to support Rocky Linux ?!
I really hope so as I have recently migrated my VPS to CentOS 8 with Plesk ... coming from a previous Webmin environment which I absolutely loved, Plesk presented a bit of a learning curve as it was more restrictive in what I could do ... I would prefer now to stick with Plesk.
My road map is; eventually Rocky Linux, hopefully with Plesk ... but if not, back to Webmin.
I really hope so as I have recently migrated my VPS to CentOS 8 with Plesk ... coming from a previous Webmin environment which I absolutely loved, Plesk presented a bit of a learning curve as it was more restrictive in what I could do ... I would prefer now to stick with Plesk.
My road map is; eventually Rocky Linux, hopefully with Plesk ... but if not, back to Webmin.
@SpacedOut
No need to wait anymore. There already is a fine replacement for CentOS 8: AlmaLinux
Check the link:
talk.plesk.com
No need to wait anymore. There already is a fine replacement for CentOS 8: AlmaLinux
Check the link:
Input - AlmaLinux ... it works!
End of last year I was very disappointed to hear that CentOS 8 would be discontinued end of 2021 instead of the promised 2029. Like some others out here I had put a lot of effort in configuring a nice server setup based on CentOS 8. Luckily a few months later there is a fine replacement...
futureweb
Regular Pleskian
VZLinux 8 was also released last week which should be a pretty good replacement for Centos as they got years of experience on this Topic ... ;-)
Check Posting: Input - Virtuozzo Linux (VZLinux) 8 - Supported OS
www.altusintel.com
Check Posting: Input - Virtuozzo Linux (VZLinux) 8 - Supported OS
Virtuozzo published a VZLinux distribution aimed at replacing CENTOS 8
Company Virtuozzo (former division of Parallels), developing server software for virtualization based on open projects, start Public distribution
www.altusintel.com
freewebsitescan
New Pleskian
If Plesk can test and support the new Centos Stream before the end of 2021... that will be great... so we can all switch our Centos 8 servers to Stream and can see the new features... and stay up to date...
That is exactly what everyone does not want! Stream has new features that have not yet been tested thoroughly. It could break your system. That is why everyone is looking for an alternative to CentOS 8. No-one wants the Stream-version because it is a test garden.
