OK there is a new Plesk, but ...

[breun]

Now maybe I haven't found it yet, but ever since I've been using Plesk I have never been able to get used to the databases. From what I understand, you are required to make a separate username for each database. While this may be a more secure practice, it poses many problems for certain situations and forces you to open up multiple connections to various databases when you need to work with two databases, even though they are installed on the same server.

Probably >99% of all websites use no more than 1 database, so that's probably why working with multiple databases is not that well catered for under Plesk. Still, if you know MySQL you allow one user to have access to multiple databases. Plesk won't be of help here.

Another database issue I haven't figured a way around yet is viewing more than one at a time. It always opens in the same window, and it's a pain to get to them regardless. I was almost a bit excited looking over new features when I saw you could make a URL for the WedAdmin...unfortunately I saw the text after that reading 'Windows Only'

You could install a separate copy of phpMyAdmin.

 

[alexmv7]

Migration from Plesk

I'm thinking of migration from Plesk about one year. But it is very hard to moove existing clients to different control panel if this control panel will be much better then old. That is a realy big problem. And one more problem related to migration. If this guys form swsoft aquire cPanel somehow? Just make a look at forums of panels they are already aquired. People asking "what happens with our panel?", "why support stuff stop talking with us on this forums" and get's no answer at all. Exactly the same situation we have here on sw$oft forum.

 

[korsar]

Ok but aptitude install php5 installed the packages but still runs on php 4.4.8

It's really different to install php5 and libapache2-mod-php5 packages, the first one contains just a docs for php5, the second one is an apache module. So for using php5 with apache server you need libapache2-mod-php5 to be installed.

In any case Plesk doesn't distribute/install any version of php different from version distributed by OS vendor, i.e. if you install Plesk under some OS distribution and it has php4 only then php4 will be installed.
If OS has both versions of php, like debian, and you need to be sure that exactly php5 will be installed you can install psa-php5-configurator from Plesk distribution before installing of all Plesk packages.

Since the last release 3.3 of Autoinstaller tool alternative components choosing is supported, i.e. during command line installation via autoinstaller you can go to "custom" installation mode and select php5 for installing.

 

[korsar]

http://forum.swsoft.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=160502#post160502 i made it with this thread so now my server runs on 5.2.0.8 debian etch7

I don't recommend to use force option for ignore dependences it's a bad way to solve issues because it can make more serious problems in the feature, during next upgrade, for example.

 

[korsar]

You now all the recent companies that SWsoft bought? Do you know where the money comes? From Microsoft. They will try to put their windows OS as a based on every server. Windows is strong on home PCs,Linux is strong on corporate enviroments and servers.

They way they do is just to make softwares that are 100% windows.

It's not true, Plesk for Unix/Linux is stll actual and developed.
Yes, unfortunately Plesk for Linux don't have so many custom features as its done in Plesk for Windows, but several things supported in Plesk for Linux don't have so great names, for example, the features below have the same implementation, but have different names:
DNS improvement for DomainKeys support (Windows only)
Underscores in DNS (Linux/Unix only)

Linux lovers, its time to move away from SwSoft as your vendor, in some next releases you will have a totally useless Plesk for Linux panel and people using Windows Servers will have all the great and new features. Windows servers ****, they use more CPU, more Ram and are totally insecure. I would not change to a Windows server no matter how much many Microsoft gives to SwSoft to support their OS.

Plesk Linux is actual and important product of SWsoft/Parallels and it will be supported, improved and released.

No Postfix support

We are working now on supporting of Postfix.

 

[Daniel15]

corsair, are you a SWsoft employee? If so, why don't you have a special badge or anything on these forums?

We are working now on supporting of Postfix.

That's what I was told by multiple SWsoft staff members back in June 2007. And of course, it didn't happen.


And as for PHP 5 on Debian, add the Dotdeb.org repositories to your sources.list file, and then apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 will get the latest PHP 5 version for you

 

[pippin]

i wasnt aware of that problem when i was upgrading PHP but after reading this topic i dont think there will be no upgrade as there is no new function on the linux version.maybe i will turn over to windows but i hate it.But win2003 is very stable on my Local server but i must get more memory first i only have 2GB and i serve 13 domains plus e-mails.But one thing i dont like with plesk is that MySQL has to be enabled as i have a own MySQL server that i use

 

[breun]

You don't have to use the local MySQL server for your websites, but Plesk uses MySQL itself for storing all its settings. 2 GB for 13 domains not enough? Wow, Windows is surely a memory hog then (or those are high traffic sites).

 

[pippin]

I have bought 5GB of ram to my linux server with 13 domains and the load lays on aproximaly 2 GB so all my ram is in use.Therefore i buy more ram so its not a problem

 

[breun]

You might want to read up on memory usage under Linux. The fact that your RAM is being used is not an indication that you need more. Only when your server starts swapping you need more RAM. A server doesn't benefit from having unused free memory.

 

[dash]

oh! at last! DomainKey support will be available in Plesk Unix 8.4

BTW, gentlemen,

What are you interested in the first place:
signing of outgoing mail or incoming mail checking?
As for me, I do not think that incoming mail checking with DomainKey is effective antispam solution right now.

 

[atomicturtle]

Domain Key, SPF, RBL, and other checks are already being done by spamassassin anyway.

 

[ajack]

What are you interested in the first place:
signing of outgoing mail or incoming mail checking?

I want to sign outgoing mail with domainkeys. It's very hard to improve deliverability to Yahoo without domainkey signing.

I wish someone had advice on how to sign *before* 8.4... who knows when that will come anyway...

Thanks

 

[Cyberws]

I am thoroughly unimpressed with Plesk's lack support for DomainKeys, they will not offer support on how to compile it with the $75 per incident support, want $300 to do it themselves and the closest I've been give to date for Plesk 8.4 is April.

They are clearly aware of the problem as otherwise I see no need for the update to Bind in 8.3 to support underscores.

Quite frankly this is just not good enough. In the UK about 1 in 5 email users use BT/Yahoo and hence I cannot reliably email 20% of my customers until this issue is fixed.

I am looking into moving away from Plesk permanently if this situation does not improve rapidly.

 

[nibb@]

We should just all move away and make a Plesk clone with all the features we need and want. This is the problem when there is no competition. They dont care !!!

Plesk only has Cpanel as a major challenge now. And Plesk users hate Cpanel and Cpanel users hate Plesk so its a win, win situation.

Plesk is 1500$ worth per server. And mostly you have functions that dont work well. I compare the 1500$ to the Cpanel. Since they dont have domain limit, and all those module addons. The 1500$ is the full plesk server.

So 2 years now passed and AntiSpam solution in Plesk is useless really. Very bad integrated.
Antivirus? Well pay extra. Another need? Pay extra? Support? Well pay 75$.

If someone here runs a hosting company with several plesk servers you will come to a situation where you are actually wasting tons of money in things like Plesk.

If you make your maths, it comes you allot more expensive to offer hosting plans that use Plesk. If you need to offer things like Unlimited domains, antivirus etc. Then plesk will cost you allot. Not to mention that plesk tends to breake and 8 of 10 servers with every upgrade. And that little mystake costs you a support ticket of 75$ minimum.

After 2 years they could not implement ClamAV or Postfix with it. This just proofs how they dont care about developing Plesk. Since something like that can be done in 1 day like all the hacks you found outhere.

What will do SW Soft do ? Sue you? Most things that plesk use are open source and they charge so there is no copyright on a heavy modified Plesk control panel. Most are just html files which use open source coding and we pay 1500$ for what? For not having updates and no support.

Paralles should really think again about how they will move with their control panel.

Most people are unhappy customers. Nobody wants to trow away their money that costed them so hard to win. I did not upgraded a single server since version 8.1.
That was a corporate policy just to cut costs. Yes cut costs !!! Since each breake on a server costs money. And since there isnt anything real new since Plesk 7.5 we dont see incentive to upgrade. I suppose we are going to offer Plesk 8.1 for the next couple of coming 2 years. And all the money we did not spend in Sw Soft we are going to pay programmers to put the things on Plesk we want.

 

[albatroz]

Hi albatroz,

I am sad as you are about the new (non) improvements on Linux version BUT the mail quota can be viewed from plesk > domain name > report > fully report > e-mail !

Thanks, I found the option.

 

[albatroz]

You can use ClamAV and enable server-wide deletion at a certain spam score after installing Atomic Rocket Turtle's qmail-scanner.

What kind of speed improvements are you looking for?

Cool, didn't know about that .... I will Atomic Rocket Turtle's website although we currently use Easyantispam along with Plesk standard antispam features.

What speed improvements would I like to see?
When I login into a Plesk control panel and compare its response time with Directadmin and Cpanel, guess what? Plesk is slower ...

When I login into Plesk's Webmail Horde, guess what? It is slower than doing the same on Cpanel's included Horde ...

I have tried that on several hosting companies, not only my own server and my impression is the same.

 

[Daniel15]

We are working now on supporting of Postfix.

It's been over a year since I was told that Postfix would be supported... Any updates on this?

Domain Key, SPF, RBL, and other checks are already being done by spamassassin anyway.

Yeah but the Plesk SpamAssassin costs money and the AtomicRocketTurtle one doesn't work on Debian I don't think.

 

[atomicturtle]

On ART we currently support CentOS, Fedora and RHEL. There hasn't really been enough user interest to support other distros yet.

By default though, the spamassassin implementation does support SPF, Domain Keys, RBL's, etc.

Thats not really an ART thing or a plesk thing. Its really a factor of how the vendor (in your case debian) implemented spamassassin. In the fedora/centos/rhel cases, they did a really good job making sure all the various perl libraries were there to allow those parts to work correctly. If debian is missing those parts, adding them back in will fix the problem. Spamassassin doesn't need to be rebuilt, it detects them automatically on its own.